Boomkin viable 5-10man and end-raids?
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I couldnt find a topic like this one from 2012.

My question is: Are boomkin viable in 5-10 man instances and end-game raids?

I dont have ANY experience from boomkins(or druids for that matter) but I really want to play a caster and from what I have read it seems like boomkin is the option for me.

Please, all tips, tricks and information are more than welcome.

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I knew a boomkin in pre bc who was able to do 1300ish DPS in naxx he had full BIS tho.

Go and troll somewhere else B)

Moonkins got a decent dps capacity, but since 600+ dps+ on a long fight was considered good during vanilla I doubt a moonkin did 1300, especially since fury warriors doing 1500 dps was considered to be sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E5pk_6asho&feature=related

for example.

And since moonkin get 0% hit from talents and hit cap was pretty much unheard of on level 60 I doubt any moonkin did half that on patchwerk or similar during vanilla.

Not to mention that I didn't do much more than that on my t6 moonkin on brutallus.

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I knew a boomkin in pre bc who was able to do 130ish DPS in naxx he had full BIS tho.

There, I fixed it for you.

1300 dps, lol.

Give us a video or actual proof,I don't believe this. Not even on chromaggus with an extensive amount of nature/arcane weaknesses.

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Not to mention that I didn't do much more than that on my t6 moonkin on brutallus.

You must have been one terrible boomkin. Also you can get hit % off gear incase you did not know. By the way there has been some vids out there of boomkins doing 900-1300ish DPS. Search them if you want also it's funny how you think I am a troll lol it seems like 90% of the people who play on feenix assume someone is a troll or start to QQ/rage at them.

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You must have been one terrible boomkin. Also you can get hit % off gear incase you did not know. By the way there has been some vids out there of boomkins doing 900-1300ish DPS. Search them if you want also it's funny how you think I am a troll lol it seems like 90% of the people who play on feenix assume someone is a troll or start to QQ/rage at them.

If you spew crap like balance druids dishing out 1300 in vanilla in BiS gear in Naxx..., hump yeah you're getting called a troll.

Back it yo, links etc, and no BS links of 2.0 or 60 with bc talents.

I don't believe you and you're free to think of that what you like.

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If you spew crap like balance druids dishing out 1300 in vanilla in BiS gear in Naxx..., hump yeah you're getting called a troll.

Back it yo, links etc, and no BS links of 2.0 or 60 with bc talents.

I don't believe you and you're free to think of that what you like.

So you want me to go back in time and post a SS of the dps? Are you stupid?

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You must have been one terrible boomkin. Also you can get hit % off gear incase you did not know. By the way there has been some vids out there of boomkins doing 900-1300ish DPS. Search them if you want also it's funny how you think I am a troll lol it seems like 90% of the people who play on feenix assume someone is a troll or start to QQ/rage at them.

Search them for me, since I really want to see them. You realize that patchwerk require around 380 DPS per person DPS if you use a regular setup? Also Brutallus require around 1800-1900 DPS from every DPS you bring, I think this will explain to you how humping high 1300DPS in vanilla is. Reaching half that on a long fight will probably require BiS gear. So when you reached brutallus in TBC you pretty much required a hybrid to do around 1600-1700 DPS, while he boosted warlocks and mages DPS. And that is in late TBC...

Patchwerk was considered a HARD GEARCHECK due to his enrange timer, and you still only needed around 380(!) DPS per person, so a boomkin doing 900-1300 DPS is just bullshit. Since I presume you are talking about a real DPS fight like patchwerk and not chromaggus full arcane weakness or some bullshit like that.

I made a boomkin bis list which you can find on this forum. If you check it out you will also realize that getting 16% hit from gear is humping hard, and will require you do replace A LOT of spelldmg and crit for that hit. Which you need to do. Also, most players in vanilla thought hit was shit for casters, and getting the hit cap didn't really become to norm before TBC. Doubt any caster used bloodvine over t2 at all in vanilla, even though bloodvine is better in many cases.

Ofcouse we assume you are a troll when you state that a boomkin did 4 times the DPS required for patchwerk.

That is the serverfirst on EU-frostmane, check out out the dps meter he got. He finishes second on the damage with 580 DPS, not even half of what your boomkin friend did..

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Search them for me, since I really want to see them. You realize that patchwerk require around 380 DPS per person DPS if you use a regular setup? Also Brutallus require around 1800-1900 DPS from every DPS you bring, I think this will explain to you how humping high 1300DPS in vanilla is. Reaching half that on a long fight will probably require BiS gear. So when you reached brutallus in TBC you pretty much required a hybrid to do around 1600-1700 DPS, while he boosted warlocks and mages DPS. And that is in late TBC...

Patchwerk was considered a HARD GEARCHECK due to his enrange timer, and you still only needed around 380(!) DPS per person, so a boomkin doing 900-1300 DPS is just bullshit. Since I presume you are talking about a real DPS fight like patchwerk and not chromaggus full arcane weakness or some bullshit like that.

I made a boomkin bis list which you can find on this forum. If you check it out you will also realize that getting 16% hit from gear is humping hard, and will require you do replace A LOT of spelldmg and crit for that hit. Which you need to do. Also, most players in vanilla thought hit was shit for casters, and getting the hit cap didn't really become to norm before TBC. Doubt any caster used bloodvine over t2 at all in vanilla, even though bloodvine is better in many cases.

Ofcouse we assume you are a troll when you state that a boomkin did 4 times the DPS required for patchwerk.

That is the serverfirst on EU-frostmane, check out out the dps meter he got. He finishes second on the damage with 580 DPS, not even half of what your boomkin friend did..

"Server first" From the looks of it these guys were in BWL/AQ gear and maybe a bit of naxx gear and still did 580 DPS? BWL AND AQ GEAR BRO. Stay dumb.

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"Server first" From the looks of it these guys were in BWL/AQ gear and maybe a bit of naxx gear and still did 580 DPS? BWL AND AQ GEAR BRO. Stay dumb.

Head: Mish'undare, Circlet of the Mind Flayer http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19375

Neck: Malice Stone Pendant http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=22943

Shoulders: Rime Covered Mantle http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=22983

Back: Cloak of the Necropolis http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=23050

Chest: Bloodvine Vest http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19682

Bracers: Bracers of Arcane Accuracy http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19374

Hands: Dark Storm Gauntletshttp://db.another server-wow.com/?item=21585

Waist:Angelista's Grasp http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19388

Legs: Bloodvine Leggings http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19683

Boots: Bloodvine Boots http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19684

Ring: Zanzil's Band http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19905

Ring: Zanzil's Seal http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19893

Trinket: The Restrained Essence of Sapphiron http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=23046

Trinket: Neltharion's Tearhttp://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19379

Staff: Brimstone Staff http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=22800

That is my BiS list for boomkin. Not that much work put into it, but I doubt there is a big difference to a better one if there is one. Twin emps neck was obviously better on retail, but not here. I count to for naxx items in total, and I don't believe a single moonkin had all four of those items. And you think those items would double your dps + some more? Dream on.

Pls stop trolling and link a moonkin doing anything above half of the dps you claim your friend did at least..

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Head: Mish'undare, Circlet of the Mind Flayer http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19375

Neck: Malice Stone Pendant http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=22943

Shoulders: Rime Covered Mantle http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=22983

Back: Cloak of the Necropolis http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=23050

Chest: Bloodvine Vest http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19682

Bracers: Bracers of Arcane Accuracy http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19374

Hands: Dark Storm Gauntletshttp://db.another server-wow.com/?item=21585

Waist:Angelista's Grasp http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19388

Legs: Bloodvine Leggings http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19683

Boots: Bloodvine Boots http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19684

Ring: Zanzil's Band http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19905

Ring: Zanzil's Seal http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19893

Trinket: The Restrained Essence of Sapphiron http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=23046

Trinket: Neltharion's Tearhttp://db.another server-wow.com/?item=19379

Staff: Brimstone Staff http://db.another server-wow.com/?item=22800

That is my BiS list for boomkin. Not that much work put into it, but I doubt there is a big difference to a better one if there is one. Twin emps neck was obviously better on retail, but not here. I count to for naxx items in total, and I don't believe a single moonkin had all four of those items. And you think those items would double your dps + some more? Dream on.

Pls stop trolling and link a moonkin doing anything above half of the dps you claim your friend did at least..

As I said before "Do you want me to go back in time and take a SS of his DPS?" Please stop being dumb.

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As I said before "Do you want me to go back in time and take a SS of his DPS?" Please stop being dumb.

If moonkin had that great dps capacity you sure as hell should be able to find some proof of something close to it (900DPS+ at least).

Just google it.

Also to my TBC comparison,

1650 DPS. Doing 7k crits and 3k hits, so in theory you would need to do like 6k crits and 2.5k hits to hit 1300 DPS as moonkin. rofl..... And then I ignore that the moonkin on the video probably got around 5% haste at least.

Stop promoting another server-wow server. B)

cba, if a admin wants to edit my post I guess he can. Not my fault that their own database was down when I did the guide.

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If moonkin had that great dps capacity you sure as hell should be able to find some proof of something close to it (900DPS+ at least).

Just google it.

Also to my TBC comparison,

1650 DPS. Doing 7k crits and 3k hits, so in theory you would need to do like 6k crits and 2.5k hits to hit 1300 DPS as moonkin. rofl..... And then I ignore that the moonkin on the video probably got around 5% haste at least.

cba, if a admin wants to edit my post I guess he can. Not my fault that their own database was down when I did the guide.

You must have downs.

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Oomkin is a novelty in vanilla, it's not viable. No +hit talents = garbage in pve. You can't stack 16% hit without severely gimping your spell dmg and crit. You can run 24/0/27 and dps trash for shits and giggles, but you really need to be healing on bosses.

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Oomkin is a novelty in vanilla, it's not viable. No +hit talents = garbage in pve. You can't stack 16% hit without severely gimping your spell dmg and crit. You can run 24/0/27 and dps trash for shits and giggles, but you really need to be healing on bosses.

Warrior - no +hit talens = garbage in pve.

non survival spec Hunter - no +hit talents = garbage in pve.

Warlock - no +hit talents for shadowbolt = garbage in pve.

Hope I got it right...

But for some reason I feel it's wrong... B)

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Oomkin is a novelty in vanilla, it's not viable. No +hit talents = garbage in pve. You can't stack 16% hit without severely gimping your spell dmg and crit. You can run 24/0/27 and dps trash for shits and giggles, but you really need to be healing on bosses.

This is a horrible reasoning.

Not having hit from talents is a vanilla thing, they humped up and fixed it by burning crusade with better itemization and specs. That doesn't mean your dps will be bad. And that's not the reason why moonkins are totally atrocious when it comes to steady dps.

They don't have a decent bread and butter spell (starfire/wrath?), nor do they have any good support debuff like CoS/CoE/Improved ignite/Shadow weaving.

As you can see, fire mages gain 10%+10% from CoE and Improved ignite, warlocks and spriests gain 10%+15% from CoS and S.W.

A moonkin can only possibly gain 10% from CoS and that doesn't even affect wrath(if that's even a spell you guys cast, idk).

Same @ you.

Btw, who are you and why am I still responding? :s

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I did around 350 dps in (mostly) 5-man gear, this was fully raid buffed with elixirs (not flask though). Problem is that you run out of mana pretty fast so be prepared to chug mana pots like it's no tomorrow.

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I did around 350 dps in (mostly) 5-man gear, this was fully raid buffed with elixirs (not flask though). Problem is that you run out of mana pretty fast so be prepared to chug mana pots like it's no tomorrow.

This surprises me in a positive way, however, my fire mage has no trouble dealing 400+ dps without elixirs/mana pots (full bloodvine and 3/8d2 and rest is all green/blue, basically 200+fire damage and 5 spell hit)

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I did around 350 dps in (mostly) 5-man gear, this was fully raid buffed with elixirs (not flask though). Problem is that you run out of mana pretty fast so be prepared to chug mana pots like it's no tomorrow.

That is using a wrath rotation right? The biggest problem with moonkins are that you need to use arcane spells in 40mans really, also you need a lot of hit. your DPS will be around half in 40man.

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