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#21 indaco

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 02:51 PM

I still not agreed with you, expecially on goblin trash pack, as priest your job is fear them, then you start drop renew on melee gruop and flash heal people, as soon goblin are dead you got plenty of time for restore mana.
Also u can start to drink as soon mob are dead, before another pull there is atleast 10-20 second which is more then enought mana.

But im t3 geared and in naxx guild, so my point of view can be different from yours.

Still downranking flash heal is overkill and waste of keybindings

Also for boots enchat i will stay with +stamina best enchat for really hard encounter
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Posted 17 June 2012 - 08:53 PM

View Postindaco, on 17 June 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

I still not agreed with you, expecially on goblin trash pack, as priest your job is fear them, then you start drop renew on melee gruop and flash heal people, as soon goblin are dead you got plenty of time for restore mana.
Also u can start to drink as soon mob are dead, before another pull there is atleast 10-20 second which is more then enought mana.

But im t3 geared and in naxx guild, so my point of view can be different from yours.

Still downranking flash heal is overkill and waste of keybindings

Also for boots enchat i will stay with +stamina best enchat for really hard encounter

I have been in those naxx guilds too. Half of the players just got their gear too fast (which can be seen in the meters). I agree with you, that you have to fear those npcs. But, you forget a few tiny things: no pathfinding, thus they walk under the floor somtimes. 2. they use dynamites while standing still, and your fear only fears 5 of them. Not to mention that renew and flash heal got the same casting time (instant, but GCD). FLash heal is direct healing, and causes less overhealing, so flash heal would be the way to go.

And yes, you can start drinking when youre out of combat. But in a good chainpulling contest, you are never out of combat. That is what chainpulling means. THere are 8 packs between firemaw and ebonroc, 8*20 = 160 seconds more time, wasted, because you did not downrank.

With t3 gear this is not the best example, because the intensity of the damage done in those packs is way less (due to the increased hp and healing). But when you start progressing in an instance, that is not the case, you do not overgear encounters then. If you think downranking flashes is a waste of keybinds, then i wonder how you got into a naxx guild in the first place. Surely it is not because of your awesome healing (or do all the priests use max ranked flash heals, then the class leader is just bad).

I used to top the meters during naxx, if we did not wipe too much on faerlina. As a priest (shamans are usually top 1 on horde). Without downranking i would be oom twice as fast, and my overhealing would be over 50%. Overhealing at raid healing means you do not do your job well.

This is not meant as insult, but i am just astonished how people could get into naxx guilds without proper downranking :).

P.S. As a priest, i always throw a dynamite before i fear, its saver (not iron, but the more expensive thorium).
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Posted 17 June 2012 - 10:36 PM

http://old.wowhead.com/item=11648 This is the 8 int on head/legs enchant.

http://old.wowhead.com/item=11622 This is the 150 mana enchant on head/legs. 150 mana was not possible to get the last time i checked.

Your guide is perfect for "Help me be the best priest i can be", but for overall raiding it does not hurt to go with different speccs than the standard 21/30. Like i said we had anywhere from 3-4 PI specced priests and we managed to down 10 bosses in Naxx. I was the first in the guild to try it out, and i noticed very little change in my most used healing spells (my Heal rank 1 which was my standard tank healing spell did 1100 instead of 1200) and i could boost mages a decent amount for 15 seconds. The only thing that really suffers from going 31/20 instead of 21/30 is your renew. But you only really need 1 maxxed out renew priest, which we had anyway. Im not saying that every single priest should swop over to PI specc, but having some of your 1k+ healing priest try it out won't hurt. There are several fights in Naxx where a 15 sec nuke can help the raid.

On fights where you have massive amounts of adds it is way better to go silent resolve over martyrdom. Scarabs on Anub'rekhan, spiders trash, Noth adds, Gluth adds and so on will rape a priest if they start attacking. Then it wont matter if you have martyrdom, because you will keep building threat as you heal yourself. When you are progressing on these bosses mistakes happen and priests will get chased down by adds, so avoiding this for as long as possible is a major bonus.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:51 AM

When I was still playing priest I was downranking flash for trash depending of the health deficit that character had. Don't know why you guys ditch downranking of FH.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:37 AM

Posto some healing meter jindo :) want see if u can get near my healing with that much theorucraft :D 161k healing at visc yesterday with shadow spec ^^ beat that

I hope you rember this is feenix and not retail consumable are easy to get... As for silent resolve just lols

And for heal goblin pack the best thing is cast renew before pull on melee/ dragon tank, cast some preshield , then fearbomb+ grenade, start flashing 2-3 heal , goblin dead :D

About power infusion is garbage spec much better have a priest spec shadow then pi

Also on anub scarab going for priest is good, because we can fear...

If you dont want to play 21/30 , you can be kool and go 14/37 betz healing spec ^^
Bro too much theory too less pratice...
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:36 PM

Indaco, i used to use 24 consumables each fight, BWL+. I farmed 10 hours a week consumables (i got connections). And my account is banned now. I will post some healing meters soon though! if i get acces to a guildsite.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 01:01 PM

Amazing work.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 04:38 PM

Indaco, here are a few of me healing. Ofcourse i toke the fights where i had a considerable healing job (not MCing at faerlina or flash heal rank 1 spam at maexxna):

http://i.imgur.com/cfeaQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/X7jSs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HS5dC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mJji2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pvljw.jpg

These are from quite a while ago, and i improved during this time quite a lot. Making this guide also made me play the priest better myself.

Edit: Taken right from the SoS website: http://sultansofswing.shivtr.com/forums/442513.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 05:27 PM

Egregious gonna be all pumped up after the last image! HUUURRRRRRRR

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 08:41 PM

GRRRR STRENGTH!!!!

It really more like this though:
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 08:56 PM

View PostE-gorgeous, on 22 June 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:


On those meters, pff, it must have been my bot playing there ^^.

P.S. I also love you egregious, but as alliance!
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Posted 23 June 2012 - 03:39 PM

Not bad jindo ^^ considering you play alliance ^^
Gonna edit tomorrow with my healing meters :)

Still is you should add in your guide how heal on most of naxx or aq40 boss
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 03:18 PM

View Postindaco, on 23 June 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Not bad jindo ^^ considering you play alliance ^^
Gonna edit tomorrow with my healing meters :)

Still is you should add in your guide how heal on most of naxx or aq40 boss

Will be done after mah test week k?
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 11:08 AM

how mad will you be after using every consumable able to get in game, downranking flashheals to save mana and then anyways got 1 shotted by 3 dynamites in BWL ? ._.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 12:52 PM

Thats a case that would never happen to me. On those packs i use greater fire protection potions. I gotn 5.4k HP without titans. They will need to throw like 8 dynamites at me to be even close at killing me. Consumables are the way to go at raiding.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 04:37 PM

Edited with FAQ included consisting of the current hot questions. I also feel the responsibility to add some questions that were asked elsewhere of priests.
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:44 AM

lal at using 1k worth of consumables for Nefarian
thank you for the guide, even though this could be a lot shorter and easier to get through

good point about flask, I always laughed at people flasking to show how hardcore they are, then maybe using 1 mana potion in entire fight ))
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:22 AM

View PostLube, on 09 August 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

lal at using 1k worth of consumables for Nefarian
I had an income of 8k a week, so why not?
thank you for the guide, even though this could be a lot shorter and easier to get through
Let's just say, this guide is not casuals.
good point about flask, I always laughed at people flasking to show how hardcore they are, then maybe using 1 mana potion in entire fight ))
Hmm, I think you forgot that flasks last two hours, so it also helps in trash pulls (gives lots of healing), during other boss fights and people that dont have mana potions/dark runes on CD on BWL+ are either slacking or your raid has tooo many healers ^^.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 08:35 PM

Jindo why do you go for +healing vs +spirit? Every old classic guide I remember said that stacking spirit gave you the best mana sustain in a fight which was (back in the day) considerably more important than having an extra bit of +healing. Can you explain your thoughts on this, pros/cons? I remember the big scream of rage from the human priests when draenei priests came because the Drae had far better mana maitenance. I assume that in your experience perhaps better to have plenty of mana pots? Any clarification is great :)

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:16 PM

View PostCynicalMagician, on 30 August 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Jindo why do you go for +healing vs +spirit? Every old classic guide I remember said that stacking spirit gave you the best mana sustain in a fight which was (back in the day) considerably more important than having an extra bit of +healing. Can you explain your thoughts on this, pros/cons? I remember the big scream of rage from the human priests when draenei priests came because the Drae had far better mana maitenance. I assume that in your experience perhaps better to have plenty of mana pots? Any clarification is great :)

Well, It is quite easy. just 25% of your spirit gets converted into healing. Spirit needs A lot of it to get mana regen. 13 spirit = 1 mp5s, and 6.67 spirit is 1 mp5s with the tier 2 set bonus. But spirit does not regen while casting, while mp5s does. Now, when you get more healing power you are able to downrank way more. I Will sum it up now:

1. Spirit gives just 25% of it to healing and 6.67 spirit (with 3/8 t2) is just 1 mp5s.
2. Mp5s always gives mana regen and spirit doesnt. You always cast continuous so the part of mp5s at spirit is only useful.
3. Healing power stacking is good to downrank and always works in both trash and boss fights.
4. For mana regen you got buffs and mana pots/dark runes (consuambles more).

Only the slacking priests get oom when spamming heal rank 4. If you use enough consumables you will get the perfect mana regen. At a time I had 250 mp5s on my priest. And also 1150 BH. Both buffed. Spirit is good when you get naxx gear (because it got spirit), but till then mp5s and healing is the way to go!
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