Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:16 PM
I have a mana pool of about 4.8k with kings, and in heroics I've been using contiunuum blade.
My general rotation without consecrate is sometimes start fight with avenger's shield, judge crusader, and then judge righteous and refresh that asap as well as keeping holy shield up at all times.
Is there something I'm doing wrong or need to change? Or are they just not watching threat and are mistaken about this legendary green-wearing threat holding pally?
Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:46 PM
Posted 13 June 2012 - 10:09 AM
stick with mages plx baddie ))
Anyway epic threat that paladin makes deservers often mana breaks.
Judge crusader, hit with SoR, consecrate, holy shield. You'll never lose aggro. You just can't. Oh yeah, get wizard oil, it's 15g for 5 charges, that should help you with tps.
P.S. Everybody lies including your pug people about having tank that nevers goes oom. Just ignore them.
Posted 13 June 2012 - 11:25 AM
... and don't underestimate Holy Shield. It's threat is awesome on melee mobs that hit you. Versus casters it's useless (obviously).
Posted 13 June 2012 - 04:51 PM
About threat i have no problems what so ever. I can cast 1 concecrate if it isn't a AoE group and just judge Crusader and have SoR and Holy shield active. I almost never use Avenger's Shield.
If they do as Kosmonavt says they're just plain stupid
Posted 15 June 2012 - 11:19 AM
Posted 22 August 2012 - 03:42 AM
Let me begin by saying that I'm a heroic running tankadin in warrior gear. That means no additional intellect, no additional spell damage and no additional mp5. Just the Continuum Blade and an occasional Wizard Oil when I'm running with a "TPS capped" lock. I have heard of tankadins on Feenix with over 300 even over 400 spell damage. YOU DO NOT NEED THAT MUCH SPELL DAMAGE at least not with our current "buggy" threat potential.
First of all, this applies to retail 2.4.3 as well... use rank 1 holy shield. Personally I never saw any need to use max rank. The main use of HS is to keep up that 30% block chance, the threat part of it coming only as an added bonus. And quite frankly even on retail I didn't notice that big of a difference between when I was using max rank HS and when i was using rank 1 HS. Not to mention that on Feenix Judgement of the Crusader makes rank 1 HS *extremely* efficient. Especially since HS is the only ability that should NEVER have any downtime, and should be up on you at all times (making it a potential mana guzzler when you keep spamming that max rank HS).
Second of all, because of how JoC scales, DO NOT judge damaging seals on each CD. Only judge if they're about to wear off, excluding bossfights and moments when you need a quick burst of aggro. Tho' in dungeons (normals and heroics included) I only do that on bossfights, and not because I need that extra aggro, but mainly just to drop down that boss faster since the boss usually drops long before my mana wears out even if I go all out on DPS.
Third, when your DPS are focusing down targets one at a time, I never had the need to use max rank consecration. At most I do one max rank at the start and that's it. After that i just spam rank 1. That is way, way more mana efficient and way, way more TPS efficient than spamming SoR judgements on each CD. When your DPS are AoEing, just apply SoCr and HS before the pull, judge crusader on a target for the non-aoe dps to focus on first, drop a max rank consec, and use SoW so you can keep spamming max rank consec.
That being said, I usually sit down and drink about 4 or 5 times per dungeon run. And that's because I like to drink when i reach around 50% mana, because I like to keep myself topped up in case something unforeseen happens. If I would only drink when I go oom it would probably be 2-3 drinks per dungeon. If you feel doubtful about what I just said, ask the people that I rolled with in dungeons (I'm Yakuzo ingame).
Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:13 AM
Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:50 AM
Another way to balance out the extra mana used on AS is to be the first to start moving towards the next pack, getting yourself 5-7 seconds to drink and restore some mana while the rest of the group are on their way, to make the dungeon run fluid and with less downtime as possible (If you don't mind "wasting" drinks for just 5-10 seconds out of the full restore duration of 30 seconds).
Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:53 AM
Posted 17 November 2012 - 07:30 PM
Zoki, after fake casting about a hundred Scorches.
Egozy - Level 70 Human Paladin, Protection.
Kifkef - Level 70 Night Elf Druid, Restoration.
Fearspam - Level 70 Gnome Warlock, Affliction.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:35 AM
First off, your friends were exaggerating, it's not nearly like that in reality.
For a 5 man, you can manage your mana where you will only have to drink very rarely. You should have around 250 spelldmg or more for this to work effectively. Salv your DPS, and use JoW and SoW. All the time. Spam Max Rank Consecrate (having the 2 piece D3 set bonus for -15% concescrate cost helps tons here, perfect set bonus for 5 mans.) and Holy Shield. Use Mana Tap and Arcane Torrent as often as possible (if Horde). As long as you have the spellpower to hold threat with this tactic, your mana sustainability will be enourmous! It also helps alot if you're geared enough (and your healer is geared enough) to use as little CC as possible to maximize mana return from Spiritual Attunement.
Having an Elemental Shaman's totems or a Ret Paladin judging Crusader also will do amazing things for your threat generation!
I can generally run the entirety of a 5 man Heroic using this tactic with maaaybe stoppin to drink 2 or 3 times, if at all (depends on the group makeup, among other factors such as OH SHIT HUNTER PET PULLED ADDS and other such randomness).
I hope this helps! Prot Pally Powa!
My paladin's name is Niniann in game, whisper me anytime if you want to talk prot pally tactics .
EDIT: To include that all ranks of skills mentioned in my post are MAX RANK. I do not down rank anything, because frankly it makes much more sense to me to figure out tactics that work with the highest ranks of skills, for MAXIMUM output.
EDIT 2: Oh wow this is a necro thread I didn't even notice . But AWESOME info here from many posters. Cheers.